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w3bby		#21	[-]
Posts: 36 (10/26/09 05:07:20) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I have to agree with Dave and Bart. The idea of splitting the WC was with the intention of reducing the time competitors had to be in place. Saying that V competitors (if they are serious!) need to be in place to practice up to 7 days before the V races start does not achieve this. Neither does it give competitors an equal chance to fine tune to the actual lake and course. I would respectfully suggest that Barts revision would be a better option without affecting the total length of the event adversely and should be seriously considered. _____________ Ian
Robert Daniel		#22	[-]
Posts: 214 (10/26/09 12:46:00) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Andas, please accept this posting as made with the best of intentions, I thoroughly enjoyed the EC's and look forward to the WC's in Oroshaza. It just seems strange that whilst keeping to the Naviga rule that H/O and V should run separately, if you are a V competitor and want some practise on the race lake, it means you have to arrive before the H/O racing. It is good that there is a training lake always available, but it is not the same as having a run on the race lake before your racing begins. I may as well stick my oar in and come up with my idea of a schedule, the suggestion below is exactly the same number of days as the official one but allows a V training day before the V competition begins. Registration for V competitors who are also doing H/O can still be included with H\O registration if desired. This is not the official schedule just a suggestion. 27 July Tuesday Registration FSR V/H/O Opening Ceremony 28 July Wednesday Free practice H/O classes 29 July Thursday O classes 30 July Friday O classes/H classes 31 July Saturday O classes 01 August Sunday O classes/H classes 02 August Monday Finals O/H classes Prize giving (O/H classes) Registration FSR V Section meeting 03 August Tuesday Free practice V class 04 August Wednesday V classes 05 August Thursday V classes 06 August Friday V classes 07 August Saturday V classes 08 August Sunday Final V classes Prize giving (V) and Closing Ceremony
BoBoKwok		#23	[-]
Posts: 741 (10/26/09 19:25:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I tell every 2 years that practise is vey important for those who come from different climate and use different fuel. I want to use the same fuel but I am just not able to. If the WC is held in HK, I definitely need no training at all. In Leno there was no training lake at all.(to most people) In Norway the training lake was closed by police after a few days. Perhaps it was not a problem to local and nearby boaters. However, it was a disaster to Team HK and Team China. The suggestion by Bart and Robert are better solutions. I race only V but I have plenty of holiday. I will be there before 25th July
tonyk777		#24	[-]
Posts: 5 (10/27/09 21:11:01) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	As another competitor who travels a long way I agree with Bobo that Robert and Barts programme is a lot better and agree with their reasoning. There are other advantages, for example, those who compete in H/O and V can get finished with the one style of racing and then concentrate on the other. Also what course will be set up in the 2 days of official practise, oval or M. If the training days are seperated at least a proper course can be set up. I too am looking forward to visiting Hungary for the WC and hope this can be resolved. Regards Tony
Fredde Cederberg		#25	[-]
Posts: 403 (10/29/09 10:54:27) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	really do not see the problem, especially compared to previous events, where we had no training lake at all, or the training lake was closed by police after a few days, etc. So beacuse of the bad training situation on the 2 last WC's you don't see this as a big problem? Maybe you guys should make it better then the 2 last WC's so we can remember Hungary for the great event not as a organizer not better then the previous organizers. If Peter Schaft has approved this schedule I think the whole FSR is in deep trouble, the WC has to be done for the competitors not for the organizers best. Training the day before V starts is essential and has to be. If the program stays like posted I will consider not going.
toadtoad		#26	[-]
Posts: 13 (10/29/09 11:37:21) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	We attended the EC in Hungary this year and look forward to the WC, but would like to point out that British schools are unlikely to finish schooling before Friday, 23rd July 2010. This only allows a few days to travel, we are aware it is unable to shift the start date of the whole regatta but it would be beneficial to a few (who work in school, or have children of school age) if the practise for V section could be moved to later in the schedule dates. Toad and Red Lips
Andras		#27	[-]
Posts: 54 (10/30/09 02:54:23) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi all, thank you for the good nr. of feedbacks. As I said, this schedule was proposed by Peter and the Naviga section, it's a bit different compared to what we wanted to do originally, but we had to stick with this one eventually. All I can do is trying to ask for a possible change, but can't promise anything. I'll keep you informed! Cheers: Andras
Seb Videmont		#28	[-]
Posts: 15 (11/02/09 00:16:13) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The Peter Shaft time table is one of the best we ever had. Remember that all the days saved is the opportunity for drivers to go to another international race during the season. We have not so many days to consecrate to the boats, all of us have a job and a family too So, split the WC is good, reduce to the max is the best. But, what is necessary is to have the maximum of test time. With 5 days for race on the main lake we will have a very short time (30 min ?) by day for tests... So it is necessary: - to have a test lake near (max 30 minutes) the main area, and not a lake with salt water. With a small rescue boat, that's all. - to have a test day before the WC, in the same time as the registration. With 1 organizer for the registration and a rescue boat for the drivers (doesn't need a organizer I think). We understand that the area is nice, that people do all the best for the EC, that the weather is top (top sun), so, we need just time for practice, that's all Seb Last Edited By: Dave Marles 11/02/09 01:34:33. Edited 1 times.
Hici	Test lake	#29	[-]
Posts: 3 (11/03/09 10:53:24) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi Guys, few things regarding the test lake: 1. we have the lake, open ONLY for boaters, whole day long. Almost training unlimited, less at night . 2. Far from homes. You could start early, finish late (will be posted the training lake schedule later). 3. Rescue boat is available. 4. There will be an organizer continuously to manage the trainings. 5. PRIVATE property, there won't be police, neighbours, etc disturbance. 6. Water quality makes you rougly 2-5 minutes more job / boat after training finished. Some more oil and a bit of more care. That's it. Please do not overestimate this water issue. We - meant Hungarians - are using this lake frequently, no damage so far with the proper precautions mentioned above. But not drinking water for sure. 7. Located an easy 3-5 minutes driving time from the main lake. Happy boating :-) Hici .... modelboating could be started only ...
Dave Marles		#30	[-]
Posts: 934 (11/03/09 13:50:33) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hici, All those things you mention are good but we are advised by many of those that went to the EC that not only is the trest lake salty but only 3 persons can test at one time. You have to remember that FSRV racers especially need many tests and its looking like there is no testing on the main lake after racing (crazy if its so ). To compare it to Leno means nothing. Leno training was a joke. Norway training was bad too but at least we could run on the main lake after racing for a reasonable time. We were promised by you organiser guys in the Naviga section meeting in Leno that training would be no problem. So far it is not looking so good but for sure we appreciate the prompt feedback from Hungary and are sure you will help us in this matter. Dave Tuning software
Hici		#31	[-]
Posts: 5 (11/03/09 14:26:56) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dave, I don't know how we ended with this race schedule and no clue how big is our chance to change. I'm 100% sure that Andras will do his best to convince Peter and Naviga reps. to modify the schedule to fit better to competitors' needs. But again, this doesn't depends on the organizers only. We have to admit Naviga decisions... It was always the same at Internats. Anyway, please wait for Andras's reply, he is our naviga rep. As far as the training lake situation... We will have our own - Hungarian - section meeting in January. Obviuously the WC and other relevant issues will be discussed and proper action plan will be prepared. The training lake is private property, as mentioned earlier. We try to find a good solution how to make the pontoon bigger. I do not want to go back again and again to Leno but anything is better than 10 min training per class. For sure the training lake will not accomodate 50 boats at the same time but we will provide people who tries to manage to have as smooth trainig as possible for as long time as possible. Most of the racers who showed up this year were giving positive feedbacks about the organization and place. We are very proud of that, but we are still trying to improve the few what we missed. One of them is the training lake... Neverless, many good people fits at smaller place :-). Hici .... modelboating could be started only ...
Fredde Cederberg		#32	[-]
Posts: 404 (11/04/09 01:15:45) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	I don't see the issue of cleaning the boat and engine up after driving in saltwater, the big issue is that saltwater and regular water is completely different on the set up of the boat, the boat goes easier in salt water and if we do a perfect setting of the boat in the training lake it will never perform in the main lake.
Andras		#33	[-]
Posts: 55 (11/04/09 02:50:11) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hello, of course there will be free practice on the main lake after each race day (we calculate with 2 hours each day). The only question is the day of O/H finals, because there will be also prize giving. In any case, as I promised, I'm asking around if there is a possibility to put in a free practice day before the V class starts. I will keep you informed about this. Regards, Andras
Hici	salty water	#34	[-]
Posts: 6 (11/04/09 13:26:12) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Fredde, this water is not as salty as seewater or so. This contains some "salt kind a thing". None of us know what it is. One thing is for sure, the boat needs a bit more attention after training finished. Please do not worry that much about this, we spent much more time posting doubts than the real job on the boat after it's got trained :-). Hici .... modelboating could be started only ...
Fredde Cederberg		#35	[-]
Posts: 405 (11/04/09 23:31:59) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hici If you read my post again you can see that the job after testing is not the issue, we drive in salt water in Sweden I know what it takes and also that the performance is a big difference.
WANNAWIN10.rcboatworld		#36	[-]
Posts: 1 (11/05/09 01:45:42) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Hi, For a number of years I have followed this board with interest, It seems to me the discussions go round in circles especially when a world championship is being discussed. Surely you should leave the organisers to do the job they were given to do and organise in the best way they see fit. If you want all world championships to be run the same then maybe a set of rules & regs drawn up by NAVIGA should be brought into force. We used to have all these discussions and problems in car racing 20 years ago untill we standardised all competition rules. These are just my thoughts on your <problems> and apologise if I have upset anybody. Jerome
Dave Marles		#37	[-]
Posts: 935 (11/05/09 04:59:55) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	In that case car racing must be perfect but boat racing is not. We try to obtain the best conditions possible or at least acceptable conditions and forums like this are useful in getting opinions and ideas from various competitors/countries and organisers. Dave Tuning software
Hici	...	#38	[-]
Posts: 7 (11/05/09 10:40:51) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Jerome, thank you. Beleive me, we will do our best to make the WC as good as possible but I can assure you it will not be perfect for all of the competitors. This would be a MI 1000000 kind a thing. Whatever we could we will do it. I'd like to recommend to freeze this discussion for a while. Without having facts and figures, discussing about something what might happen might not. When Andras finished the negotiation with Peter / Naviga, he will give you an update. Also having actions without knowing the number of competitors a bit difficult. Thanks, Hici .... modelboating could be started only ...
w3bby		#39	[-]
Posts: 38 (11/05/09 10:55:43) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	The only criticism here is constructive, so far we have heard from a number of competing nations that they are not happy with the training arrangements. Again the idea of splitting the WC was to reduce the length of time competitors needed to be in position. Placing V training a week before racing starts does not achieve this. I would be interested to hear the reasoning behind this decision from Naviga. V competitors arriving just for the V racing and indeed those who have competed in O, should have a dedicated training day on the race lake immediately prior to the start of racing. Apart from this issue, which shouldn't be hard to address, the schedule appears to be to peoples liking. _____________ Ian
WANNAWIN10.rcboatworld		#40	[-]
Posts: 2 (11/05/09 12:45:15) Reply Quote More My Recent Posts Message Me Connection Blocking Invite Ignore User's Posts	Dave Marles wrote: In that case car racing must be perfect but boat racing is not. We try to obtain the best conditions possible or at least acceptable conditions and forums like this are useful in getting opinions and ideas from various competitors/countries and organisers. Nothing is perfect, Except maybe a snowflake. Jerome

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