Stop n Go

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (gbnd7) — Sat, 16 May 2009 12:06:17 GMT

As Alan has said the old rule could of had a stronger enforcement by the judges.
This new one will cause more problems than it will solve.What will happen if your boat stops on the water,is rescued and returned to the pits.Do you start the engine and stop it then restart it to rejoin the race.

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (alan whitaker) — Sat, 16 May 2009 04:33:30 GMT

Hi Ian.

In the past we had situations where at most races people would not slow down, one thing that we all saw was the number of times the P A person (man with microphone) would keep saying to slow down, there was times when they should have given a yellow card but did not just shouted slow down again and again, perhaps we should have enforced the existing rule we had, then we would not...

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (w3bby) — Mon, 11 May 2009 03:22:52 GMT

alan whitaker wrote:
I think the debate of weather you engine is running or stopped is a bit OTT, most will kill the engine before lifting out of the water, I think lifting running boats out of the water is a accident waiting to happen, we all know the rush when we are racing you don't have time to look where the person next to you is and props are good at removing fingers and skin.

I totally agree Alan, replace...

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (SOLLING) — Mon, 11 May 2009 00:36:06 GMT

OK lets get back to basics, this rule was brought in on safety grounds, it was thought that the existing rules were not a sufficient deterrent for dangerous driving,I think you will all agree that the judges have a very hard and thankless job, who last went up to a judge and thanked him or her for judging their race.
Which brings me to the point, lets get rid of these rules that don't help anyone, lets have more judges on the pontoon,at the moment they don't get paid, only...

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (BoBoKwok) — Sun, 10 May 2009 23:31:29 GMT

New mess every time when there is new rule.
Section meeting during World championship is too short to solve so many problems.
Also very difficult for those who have to race.
Careful thinking from a commitee with several knowledgeable people(Judges and top boaters) will be better than discussing these kind of business during WC. Not all team leader know technical detail very well.

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (alan whitaker) — Sun, 10 May 2009 21:35:16 GMT

Hi All.

Well another unclear rule or should we just use plain common sense.

I totally agree with Dave on this one, if you do as the rules say you have to bring your boat in on the lap you were given the stop and go, if you are on bottom left with 3 or 4 boats then you have not finished the lap but...

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (Dave Marles) — Sun, 10 May 2009 20:57:11 GMT

Why on earth would you have to bring it on the same lap? Can someone answer this?
Obviously the system did not work perfectly in Stuttgart because someone was disqualified. Racers should not be disqualified for things like that. (in my opinion)

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (alan whitaker) — Sat, 09 May 2009 12:58:30 GMT

Hi All.
I thought they were going to put a big S on the card, bit of a bummer for Philip.

Alan

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (gbeg1) — Sat, 09 May 2009 10:41:57 GMT

Phill, was disqualified in Stuttgart for this! I, as the mechanic, was shown a yellow card with no "words" from the judge. I assumed it was a warning as did Phill. He continued to lap and then i was told he was disqualified for not bringing the boat in!

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (w3bby) — Sat, 09 May 2009 01:14:46 GMT

Hi Bart
The badly written rule is why I asked for clarification of how it is to be implemented/interpreted. This is the reply I received from Peter:

Hi Ian,
in answer on your question,if the judge give the competitor one safety card he has to finish his lap and take out the...

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (Bart Drieghe) — Fri, 08 May 2009 10:56:40 GMT

Actually Ian ,

The fact wether you have to come in on the same lap of the warning has not been written down . Sofar i have not seen any rule saying that so its up to the judge . What i hate even more is that we , FSR racers have NOT received any notice of this rule so how can we use this rule if nobody tells us .
Another remark for you is , if i get my boat in and it still runs while i'm putting it on the stand , do i get a DQ because its still running ? I don't want to...

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (w3bby) — Fri, 08 May 2009 07:05:20 GMT

For those that don't know me I have administered most of the V racing in Sweden for the past few years and this year, for my sins, was voted in as the chairman of the V-section in Sweden.
My view is that the rule is badly written, open to interpretaion, open to abuse and is a reaction to the inability of judges and race administrators to apply the old rule correctly, who says they will administer this one correctly?
I queried the application of the rule with Peter Schaft as we...

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (SOLLING) — Fri, 08 May 2009 06:06:08 GMT

Something had to be done to stop the dangerous driving of a VERY small number of boaters, if this the correct way, time will tell, what concerns me ,is that whilst the judge is talking to the drivers pit person, more offences can be committed and not picked up. HOW FAIR IS THAT.
I said in Leno that this was a rule that could lead to unfair decisions and I still stand by that.

Re: Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (Bart Drieghe) — Fri, 08 May 2009 02:54:16 GMT

This has been amended on the WC in Leno so i'm afraid that you are a bit late on this Dave .
Secondly , nowhere in the text does it say you have to stop in the same lap , nowhere so ......... Neither does it say how long the stop is .........
I'm personally against this rule because i don't think this will help plus its very vague , is there a time to be actually stop ?
I'm convinced that someone who exercises on it can do a stop and go within 10 seconds ,...

Stop n Go

feeds@yuku.com (Dave Marles) — Thu, 07 May 2009 22:01:17 GMT

Anyone besides Erich Costa thinks this is a good rule ? I see that the rule has been amended so that you must bring in your boat on the lap that the warning is issued. That is a nightmare given the confusion that usually exists between judges and pit assistants. This could mean the driver is disqualified because the pit assistant did not understand the warning. Why on the same lap? There is no reason at all for that. These things need to be thought through more carefully. What happens...